Saturday, October 1, 2016

New folders and knives on Aliexpress part 8

(Seller's pics)

Mid priced Boker Kwaiken titanium and CF 
versions with VG10 blade:
You can buy the Boker Kwaiken on Aliexpress:
***HERE*** or ***HERE***

Exclusive titanium version with M390 blade: ***HERE*** 
Budget G10 + steel handle versions: ***HERE*** or ***HERE***

Because of a stupid rule of Aliexpress the sellers are forced to photoshop the locking mechanism on the folders. So don't worry these folders come with a lock!


MG Arctic Fox with N690 blade:
You can buy the Arctic Fox on Aliexpress:
***HERE*** or ***HERE***


Spyderco Native 5 copy with G10 handle and lock-back:
Fluted G10 version with liner lock:
You can buy the Native 5 on Aliexpress:
***HERE*** or ***HERE***


Spyderco Schempp Bowie copy with G10/CF handle:
You can buy the Schempp Bowie on Aliexpress:
***HERE*** or ***HERE***


Zero Tolerance ZT0801 budget version
 with steel handle:
You can buy the ZT0801 on Aliexpress:
***HERE*** or ***HERE***

28 comments:

  1. I hope they wait for my next year's knife budget with a clone of the Mini Kwaiken ;)

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. You can't be such an insatiable fellow! ;)
      You wished for a cheaper full titanium version of the Kwaiken and the Chinese made it for you. Now you are craving after a mini version?! :))

      Delete
    2. Thing is I just realised one truth for myself.
      A knife has the perfect size if it's as long as your hand - from the wrist joint to the end of the middle finger - and the blade as long as that finger. For me the Caly 3, the Vespa Neon and the Kershaw Chill have the perfect size for me but for most men these roughly 18cm total length wouldn't fit same well.
      I just got my Ganzo 753 and it's nearly too big, the Griffin is a tad smaller but not as bulky.
      This thinking is also more budget friendly because most of the interesting knives tend to be 21-24cm total so it's easier to say no to the Kwaiken, the Zieba, the Lochsa.
      On the other hand the SRM 710 feels too smallish, so no need for a small Sebenza neither ;)

      Delete
    3. Regarding the size I really like my Spyderco Slysz Bowie copy. The Sanrenmu 9055 would be also fine but with a liner lock.

      Delete
    4. Yeah, I own that exact 9055, too. It was a big disappointment comparing it to the M1 so I had to drill+tap clip holes to make my M1 for tip-up carry

      Delete
  2. The Schempp is one ugly knife. Fugly, I would say

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I like its blade shape but the handle with those s-guard bolsters seems weird. After watching a couple of videos on Youtube I'm still curious about its ergonomics.

      Delete
    2. I agree. It reminds me of the Hungarian folder which I'd like to try though if there weren't so many mixed reviews about the copy and if the "original" wouldn't be so exptremely over-priced. Better I just get one from Hungary directly when my parents go there next time...

      Delete
    3. It won't be easy to choose one of the traditional Hungarian fejesgorbe folders. There are so many makers and variants! :)

      Delete
    4. Indeed. Of course it would have to be one from Kecskemêt where my dad comes from and where we've spent many summers as kids.

      This one from Polyâk was even in the German Messer Magazin, the one with the Hungarian coat of arms. I'm not sure if I don't like the one with the goat (of arms) more (pn intended).
      http://polyak-keses.hu/bicska.html

      There's even a variant with damascus steel but I don't know about the prices.

      Delete
    5. This maker lists the folders with prices. The damascus versions aren't cheap.

      Delete
    6. Yes, I've checked this one already. The colorful coat of arms is looking a bit like a pin, the insert in the Polyák version is looking more interesting to me even though I'd prefer the crownless revolutionary c-o-arms ;)

      Delete
  3. I own the Hungarian folder copy and it's a wonderful knife... Ed Schemp's knives are all about ergonomics... I listened to him talk about it on youtube. The man is a genius

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I also have the Spyderco Hungarian copy. I agree it's an excellent folder with an amazing fit & finish.

      Although I have only one folder designed by Ed (Spyderco Large Persian) I appreciate his unique designs.

      Delete
  4. My Kwaiken clone arrived from Ben at AliExpress yesterday and my first impressions are very positive. I ordered the titanium version since I already have the Carbon Fiber Kwaiken - the original one from Böker. Quick comparison: They are nearly identical in appearance (apart from the Ti/CF of course). The Ti version comes with a stonewashed blade, the CF has a satin finish, both are nice. If the clone really is VG10? I don't know, but it's hair shaving sharp out of the box. The action is extremely well tuned in, it's better than the CF original. The blade falls shut just by it's weight; that's not happening with the CF Kwaiken, where the flipping action is very good, too, but more hydraulic. One big plus on the clone: It has gimping, whereas on the original the flipper tab is way too smooth. A little price comparison: The clone cost me about 55 Euros. If you buy the original at Böker directly the Ti version will cost you 198 Euros. You can get it cheaper at other vendors, of course, especially if you don't buy in Germany. Böker is a German manufacturer, by the way. I'm very happy with the clone. I will put some photos of both knives here: http://s346.photobucket.com/user/edrooney1986/library/Knives/Kwaiken

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Excellent photos for comparing the two versions. How does the titanium copy feel in the hand? Does it feel much heavier than the CF?

      Delete
    2. On my kitchen scales the original Böker CF version is 126 g or 4.4 oz., the clone Ti version is 137 g or 4.8 oz. It's not a big difference but you can feel it in the hand.

      Delete
    3. Are the liners steel or titanium?

      Too bad it comes with fake logos. I wasn't sure as there were some pictures somewhere on AE or dhgate without them ... probably just photoshoped :-/

      Although it doesn't have to do anything with your purchase in particular (let me second - really good pictures), but I really don't get why they have to put on those stupid fake logos. It totally reduces a seemingly well made copy (= looking like, but not claiming to be something that it is not) to a counterfeit piece (clearly intended to make people think it was something that it is not). What is the point of showing off brand logos and stuff if they are not real ...

      Sorry, I digress and this point has been made like a few thousand times already.

      Delete
  5. The liners on both, the original Böker knife and the clone, are steel. And you are absolutely right - I would prefer a version without a fake logo, too. I understand why they do it: The will sell more fake knives with logo. I also see the possible moral dilemma of a purchase. But it ain't that easy, especially in the case of Böker, a manufacturer of knives that produces a lot of knives in China (the Böker Plus line). I bet the costs are not that high but they sell them for quite a sum, at least in Europe or Germany. You can get most knives of the Plus line cheaper in the US. I do not like that policy. Also Böker is one of the main European importers of international knife Brands like Spyderco. That's where they really get us. Two examples: The Spyderco Mamba costs in the US about 324 US$. If you buy it in Germany at the Böker shop you pay 594 Euro or about 647 US$. I imported the knife myself and paid about 412 US$ including shipping and 28 percent customs fees. Böker demands a price over 55 percent more than what I paid. And they do not pay retail! If you take the Spyderco K2 which is now discontinued and fairly cheap at some vendors, Böker is 142 percent more expansive than a purchase in the US, again inlcuding shipping costs and 28 percent custom fees. Yes, they have the right to do so and they are getting the money - they are in a monopoly position in Germany and Europe - but I do not think it's fair or ethical to do so, at least not to that extreme. So again, I would prefer a version without logo but I'm not really inclined to feel sorry for Böker. Sorry if I went a little bit far here.

    ReplyDelete
  6. (the same Anonymous as before)

    @ edroony: I do not feel sorry for Böker, but a little bit for that poor soul that might get ripped off by a reseller (not sure, if that case matters in terms of statistics or is just a dumb idea of mine). Other than that, the fake logo really reduces the value of the product for me (not easy to explain)

    @ Isti: Thank you very much! That might be the one I saw earlier and didn't find again.

    Do you know of any pictures of a disassembled flipper Kwaiken somewhere in this internet?

    ReplyDelete
  7. Like this one - great picture. Thank you once more!

    Now I'm confused. Yesterday after some search, I found one or two guys taking apart their Kwaikens (flipper version) on youtube. There, the channel for the stop pin was in the blade (i.e. pin fixed to the liners). In your knife it is just the other way round. I'm assuming this is part of the Chinese adoption of this knife's design (as are the caged bearings instead of all-over-the-floor loose balls and some other details (can you say "loose balls" in English without sounding weird?))

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. That's not my photo. As I remember I stumbled upon it on Aliexpress maybe a couple a weeks ago and I downloaded it. I prefer the stop pin design of the Chinese version.
      Caged bearings are obvious for me. The free ball bearings of the IKBS pivot system would make me nervous during the maintenance of my folders.

      Delete
  8. I recieved my Schempp Bowie clone today...quite a nice piece for the cash. It is a bit heavy at 5.98oz...built like a shit brickhouse.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I guess the bolsters are responsible for the extra weight.
      How do you like its ergonomics? Is it comfortable to use for common cutting tasks?

      Delete
    2. i love how it feels in hand but I haven't really used it for anything except paper to test the edge...Its not an edc kinda knife, it's more for collecting or its original use...Fighting!

      Delete
    3. Oh and I would say the weight is the bolsters and it has a semi backspacer and liners of steel.

      Delete