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Tuesday, February 3, 2015

Shirogorov F95 style full titanium flipper


Pros:
- perfect fit and finish in every detail
- strong titanium frame lock with steel insert and hidden lockbar limiter
- solid early lock-up
- excellent flipping action thanks to the ball bearing pivot system
- full flat ground perfectly centered blade
- stylish titanium handle and pocket clip with very good ergonomics
- easy disassembling (2 screws)

Cons:
- none 

Details:
Blade length: 3.74" (95 mm)
Blade thickness: 0.149" (3.8 mm)
Blade steel: 9Cr18MoV Stainless Steel (59-60 HRC)
Open length: 8.66" (220 mm)
Closed length: 4.92" (125 mm)
Weight: 5.32 oz (151 g)
Handle: titanium
Lock: frame lock with steel insert
Carry: right hand tip up

Because of a new stupid rule of Aliexpress the sellers are forced to photoshop the locking mechanism on the folders. So don't worry these folders come with solid frame-locks!

This Wild Boar version is discontinued but you can buy the new high quality Green Thorn version of the F95 with dual track ceramic bearing washers on Aliexpress: ***HERE*** 

The Green Thorn version comes with milled handles: 
Have a look at my full review about the Green Thorn F95: ***HERE***

More Shirogorov style folders:
***HERE_1*** Green Thorn Knives
***HERE_2*** Mountain Man Outdoors
***HERE_3*** Bama Outdoor Knife
***HERE_4*** Fule Knife

!!NEW!!
High-end Green Thorn Custom Division Shirogorov F7 copy with M390 blade:

High-end Green Thorn Custom Division Shirogorov F95 copy with M390 blade:

My Icebreaker with D2 blade:

You can buy the D2 version of the Icebreaker: ***HERE***
Kevin John Icebreaker with S35VN and M390 steel: ***HERE***

My G10 Hati 95 on the right:
Exclusive Green Thorn Hati carbon fibre version with D2 steel ***HERE***
It weights only 115g !

More pics:
Comfortable flipper design:

65 comments:

  1. Interesting to see your observations. I have this knife and had a few issues. The lock bar has a deep score in it that may well be a crack, makes we wonder how long the knife will last. The cut-out in the frame lock makes the thin edge very nearly sharp, and much thinner than I've ever seen this section on other knives. This again concerns me for the robustness of the knife. Lastly, the pivot screw keeps working its way loose, I might have to buy some loctite to keep it in place. Overall though, I agree, it's excellent for the money.

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  2. Mine arrived flawless.
    If you have a look at the other side of the cut-out in the frame lock you'll find it much thicker so I wouldn't worry about it.
    You're right, the other thinner side should have been rounded a bit but in a usual grip I can't feel it sharp.
    I applied blue loctite on the pivot screw as I did at my other folders too. For me it's a common process when I take apart a folder.

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  3. This looks very interesting: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/100-Kevin-kinfe-Shirogorov95-blade-material-S35VN-handle-material-carbon-fiber-TC4-Silicon-carbide-surface-bearing/32303227294.html

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    1. Unfortunately that K.J. version is quite pricey...

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  4. This version just arrvied, and it's beautiful!

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Shirogorov-95-Blue-Titanium-Model-Carbon-Fiber-Titanium-Handles-Satin-Blade-9Cr18Mov-Blade/32285705962.html

    I also picked up the D2 Kevin John version, will be interesting to see how it compared when it arrives:
    http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Kevin-John-Shirogorov-F95-Tactical-bearing-Flipper-95-folding-DAIDO-STEEL-D2-Titanium-carbon-fiber-camp/32309605651.html

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    1. You have a good taste! :)
      Both of them have been sitting on my wish list for a while.
      The Kevin John version has a different style lockbar insert and a different lockbar relief cutout (not mentioning the blade steel and the bearings) according to the pictures.

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  5. Someone just posted a video of two of the knives I just bought :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1rNoBuUY1w

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  6. The blue one looks awesome!
    What's wrong with the Neon? Why can't you take it apart?

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  7. Yes it does :) The screw just spins the other side, which is plain, so I can't keep it still. The only way I can think of to get it off would be to score enough of a line in the other side to get a screw driver in and hold it straight. That would ruin the look though :(

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    1. You should try to push the plain side of the pivot screw against a piece of rubber while unscrewing it. That might hold it in place.

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    2. Funny you should say that :)

      http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?195010-Removing-a-pivot-screw-that-spins

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  8. I haven't read that thread before! :)

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  9. The KJ arrived. Differences: weight is lower, 140g vs. 153g. This is caused by the Ti slabs being slightly thinner, 3.87mm vs. 4.27mm according to my calipers. The lock bar is slightly different as you noted, and it leads to a more stable blade through-out the movement. Surprisingly, the CF looks better on the non-KJ knife, it's more reflective. The KJ has a weaker detent that makes it easier to flip, but more likely to do so unsuccessfully. Closing is slightly less smooth. The slipper tab is slightly smaller, making it harder to get a good flip. Finally, the bevel at the cutting edge of the knife is shorter, suggesting it's been ground at a steeper angle on the KJ, making it less sharp, but more robust. Overall, the KJ is a good knife, but unless you believe the blade steel is significantly better (which it may be), I don't think the rest of the differences make it worth the extra money.

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    1. Thanks a lot for the comparison. I think I'll skip this KJ version and I'll order the blue one instead.

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    2. The S35VN resists stain better. The KJ version can get very sharp due to the near zero grind. I have both the blue one and the S35VN KJ one. I much prefer the KJ due to better overall finish. I just ordered the new blade shape with two tone finish on the titanium handle.

      http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEA-ARRIVALS-SHIROGOROV-KEVIN-S35VN-F95-NEW-BLADE/32341667079.html

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    3. After reading all the positive comments about the KJ folders I'm afraid sooner or later I'll have one too. :)
      That two tone finished one looks really nice! I'm thinking about doing that mod with my WB T-pattern Shirogorov.

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    4. Interesting. I only got the D2 KJ version, but there were only a few minor areas of improvement over the WB version. Still, I have the S35VN KJ version on its way, maybe that will change my mind. Of course, that means I need to buy the new WB version as well to compare. More knives!

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    5. The lockbar of the new WB Shirogorovs seems to be improved (they left more material at the lockbar relief) and now the blade is made of D2.

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    6. The new KJ arrived. It's beautiful, and generally well done, but I do have one issue with it. Lock up is at 100%, and that results in lock stick at times. I've ordered the WB version of the same knife. Depending on how it works, I might swap the S35VN blade into the WB handle.

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    7. I'm interested in the comparison of the KJ and WB versions.
      They say WB improved a couple of things at the folder.

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    8. The new blade style KJ two tone T-pattern in S35VN does not seem to be real S35VN. It stains easily after cutting fruits. I have some old KJ Sebenzas and Xm-18s in S35VN that do not stain at all. I am not paying extra for better steel anymore. Something has changed with KJ knives. They are cutting corners.

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    9. Thing is, some supposed "Kevin John" knives are copies. So you think you get the added quality of KJ but what you get is a knife made by some other guys, often even at the level of WB...

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  10. Having tested it more, the blade is not very sharp. And finally, when I took it apart, it was filthy inside. I don't think I'll buy any more Kevin John knives. They seem not to be as good as A Dai for premium knives.

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    1. I guess KJ quality is not what it used to be. Hopefully the T-pattern I ordered will be good.
      I also ordered this one recently because I needed a seashell pattern to complete my collection. I like the blackwash and s35vn blade.
      http://m.aliexpress.com/item/32349122937.html

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    2. I've heard mixed review on that version. I have a sea shell one I bought some time ago, I really like it. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/A-DAI-Shirogorov-F95-Tactical-Flipper-folding-knife-S35vn-blade-steel-Titanium-handle-Ball-bearing-system/32230670273.html

      I also got this which is fantastically sharp: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Super-Adai-Make-Titanium-Carbon-Fiber-Shirogorov-F95-Style-M390-Steel-Blade-Satin-Polished-Flipper/32231304816.html

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    3. That sea shell design is really stunning!
      I'm about to order the cheaper Wild Boar version.

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    4. That looks interesting. I have another version that I paid too much for. It's good, but feels a bit heavy, and also isn't very sharp.

      http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Shirogorov-model-111-SiDiS-Tactical-folding-Flipper-knives-D2-blade-titanium-handle-Outdoor-Survival-Camping-knife/32288036147.html?spm=2114.32010308.4.54.T3s5z4

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    5. This version of the knife you are ordering is beautiful. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Wild-Boar-Shirogorov-Custom-Flipper-Knife-D2-Blade-Titanium-Handle-Folding-Knife-Survival-EDC-Tools/1382635_32353498763.html

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    6. Here's a video of both the seashell and the CF finishes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjy9OBtly9E

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    7. Wow the color and pattern of that seashell is very beautiful. I cannot seem to get enough of these Shirogorov clones! I am up to five so far.

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    8. Just got the S35VN black stonewashed blade and seashell handle. It's better than WB but still not quite KJ. The blade is very sharp, and I can't find any flaws. The detent is a little weak, but the action is smooth so flipping is not bad. I paid $116 for this version so I feel that it was a fair price.

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    9. Did you receive this version?
      Do you have any idea about its manufacturer?

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    10. That's the knife. I don't know who makes it though. They seem to be the same people making all of the other seashell versions for around $100. I think KJ is still the best even though not as good as before. I missed the Adai versions because they were too expensive. I think that Adai is now Reate, and they are not making any new clones. WB is typical Chinese with no quality control. Hopefully whoever makes these seashell versions will get better and offer more variety.

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  11. Be aware the blade material of WB Shirogorovs 95 II is definitely no D2 - it is 9Cr18Mov (i talked with an owner of one ali store and he told me that there are always the same materials from WB factory) a few seller claim that but it is definitely a scam. on the pictures it seems that the new style of the handle is not like the original one because the edges are less rounded. i think the old style without the anti-skidding design on the blade looks better.

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    1. I'm sure you are right. From what I've read, the Chinese have a very broad definition of D2, so they might not even consider it to be a lie. At the same time, 9CV18Mov is not a bad steel at all, so I'm not concerned. When it comes to Chinese knives, I consider there to be three tiers: low (5Cr13Mov), middle (9Cr18Mov/D2) and high (S35VN/M390)

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    2. Hi Daneel, i can confirm your classifiction of chinese knive steels. I allready ordered the WB Shirogorovs 95 II in a very rare combination:

      http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-quality-Shirogorov-95-II-Grit-Blast-handle-Titanium-Handles-9Cr18Mov-Mild-Stonewash-Blade-by-Wild/1159063_32344229802.html

      Blade Finish: Mild Stonewash combined with Grit Blast handle.
      The new version is without logo - therefore no real replica clone - more a design clone ;-)

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    3. All of the new versions (new blade style) WB Shirogorovs come without a logo.

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    4. Interesting. I wonder who makes this then? http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-Shirogorov-Sergey-Custom-Seashell-Flipper-S35VN-Blade-3D-Sand-Blasting-Titanium-Handle-Folding-Knife-Tactical/1382333_32356794145.html

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    5. It's been out for a while - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pCh9ImJoRA

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  12. Got my KJ S35VN T-pattern two tone handle today. Nothing short of amazing. Detent is better than the carbon fiber inlay version so flipping is almost as fast as blue version with carbon fiber. Jimping on the blade is very good. The only thing I did not like is the finish on the screws are not polished very good. I also have the WB version coming to compare.

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    1. Glad to hear you are happy with yours. How is sharpness? My lock stick seems to have gone away, though lock-up is still very late. I didn't notice it before, but my pivot screw also isn't good.

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    2. It is sharp enough to cut most things but not sharp enough to shave. The lock up is pretty good around 40%. My detent ball fell out after constantly flipping the knife. I took it apart and hammered the detent ball back into the hole. So far so it hasn't fallen back out.

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    3. The detent ball fell out? I've never had that happen, even on super cheap knives.

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  13. I just bought another version. No one seems able to tell me who the maker is. The response from the seller was, "a friend".

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Shirogorov-plane-processing-S35VN-blade-material-and-handle-material-titanium-EDC-outdoor-tools/32355481407.html

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    1. I like the moderate elegance of that version more than the sea shell one.

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    2. Yup. It's like a big Neon to my eye :)

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  14. The new WD version arrived. I'm not impressed, lock-up is at about 5%, and doesn't click in place. I don't feel safe using the knife as it is. I'll have to message Ben and see what he says.

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    1. Having played with it more, I realised, it's not the lock-up that's the problem, but the very weak detent. Getting it to flip and lock up is hard, wrist action needed to have any confidence. Based on this example, the new WB Shirogorovs are lower quality than the older ones.

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    2. My WB two tone T-pattern also came today. Detent sucks. Like you said, too weak. Lockup is about 20%. I took it apart, cleaned and polished the inside of the titanium recess for the bearings, and oiled it. It flips better because it's smoother now. I can't really complain much because I only paid $55. WB is like Boker Plus, their quality is like rolling dice.

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    3. $55? From Aliexpress? I've never seen them that cheap. My seashell in blue came and it's almost the same as the T-pattern. The detent it too weak, and the grind isn't great so not that sharp. It's also a bit slick in the hand due to the finish. On the plus side, it's very pretty indeed =) I'm regretting ordering the S35VN version now as I suspect it will have the same issues. If I pick up any more of these it will be the older style WBs like the one in this review. They flip smoothly and are mostly very sharp.

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    4. Yep $55. It's $57 now. Here's the link: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wild-boar-Shirogorov-F95-Tactical-ball-bearings-Flipper-95-Tactical-Folding-knife-D2-steel-Titanium-handle/32346824877.html

      I just bought the new KJ seashell in D2 for $120. I like KJ's multi row ceramic bearings. Here's the link:
      http://www.aliexpress.com/item/100-Kevin-John-Shirogorov-F95-knife-blade-material-D2-handle-material-TC4-edc-CNC-knife/32367267551.html

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  15. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Shirogorov-plane-processing-S35VN-blade-material-and-handle-material-titanium-EDC-outdoor-tools/32355481407.html

    That one arrived. It's very pretty, but quality control leaves much to be desired. It took 30 minutes of cleaning, lubricating and swapping bearings around to get it to flip. Even now it doesn't flip reliably. It sounds minor, but the cut-out in the box is soft foam and doesn't fit the knife. Overall, I'm not buying any more of the current Shirogorov clones. The WBs aren't as good as they were, the KJs have issues, and whoever makes these is also lacking. Bring back Adai! Fortunately the older model WBs are still available, though at this point I've got almost all the models!

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    1. I feel the same way about those seashells. The dead giveaway of their lack of quality is in the Shirogorov logo. It looks terrible. Mine flips only OK not great, but the lock bar is really stiff. As a $116 knife, it is not too bad, but as a Shirogorov clone, it is terrible. I have not gotten the KJ seashell yet, but so far, my favorite is the KJ carbon fiber inlay. I will stick with KJ from now on even though I agree that their quality is not as good as before.

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    2. The KJ seashell is pretty nice. It flips well after a little cleaning and new grease. The titanium is anodized bronze. The blade is not super sharp, but good enough to cut paper. Lock up is also good at 40%. I have no complaints. It is definitely better than the other seashell clone for the same price.

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  16. My orange G10 with satin blade arrived today and it's great! I think I have all the variants now! It flips smoothly, sharp out of the box, with good lockup and perfect blade centring. The G10 adds good grip as well. I'm surprised WB can consistently get things right when KJ and others can't at nearly twice the price. There is the difference is steel of course, but you won't expect quality to fall.

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    1. After my Icebreaker arrives I'll have 3 choices for my next purchase: orange or black G10 with satin blade and ofcourse the ultimate blue one with CF inserts. Which one would you choose? :)

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    2. Blue with CF insert, no question. It's stunning.

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  17. Has aliexpress blocked shirogorov clone sales?

    Every shiro knife I find on the site now leads to a 404 page not found error.

    All of your links on every shiro knife review seem to have gone dead for me.

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    1. I'm going to figure out. It's really strange!

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    2. It seems Ali blocks all of the listings which contain the "Shirogorov" name.

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    3. That's what I've noticed as well.

      Hopefully all of the sellesr find a way around the wording. I just received my 95 flipper yesterday - perfect knife.

      I was interested in a Neon, but can't get to any listings. Doesn't seem like any other clones are affected, only Shirogorov.

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    4. Hi,

      I've started to fix the links. I think it'll take a couple of days for the sellers to edit their descriptions according to the new Ali policy.

      These F95 copies are excellent folders for the money for sure. Which version did you receive?

      I'll let you know about the new Neon links.

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    6. Thanks a lot for your positive feedback! :)
      I've managed to find the Shirogorov Neon on Ali again:
      Standard version with 9Cr18Mov blade
      High-end version with S35VN blade

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